For our first ever interview, The Runner's Tribe catches up with Chris de Boer (CDB). CDB burst onto the scene in late 2007- early 2008, winning the Ron Clarke Classic 800m (1:51.3) and the Zatopek classic (1:48.89). He also placed 4th in the Sydney track classic (1.48.78), and 3rd in the Canberra Grand Prix ( 1.48.26 ). Chris finished the year ranked 6th for the 800m and stands as being perhaps the biggest improver on the domestic scene, he ran a total of 9 straight personal bests. Furthermore, his PB for the 800m fell from 1:53 to 1:48.26 and his PB for the 1500m fell from 3:58 to 3.47.
RunnersTribe: CDB, thanks for agreeing to this interview. You made some huge breakthroughs this year, why this year?
CDB: In contrast to previous years where I have gotten really fit only to get injured and lose my base work, overall 2008 has been an injury-free year making a huge difference. It has allowed me to increase the number of K's I am running and to focus on running pbs over the longer 1500m.
Running in The Ron Clarke Classic in Melbourne was one of my best experiences in terms of running against a much stronger field and in less windy conditions than Perth. The race went out really slow, over 55secs at the bell and as the large field bunched up I decided I didn't want to hang around and get boxed in so I just took off with 300m to go. I really surprised myself with the close win which gave me a lot of confidence in my training.
The Zatopek Classic also proved to be a major turning point. Initially, I was only planning to train with some other squads including Richard Huggins' who trains Jeff Risely, but unfortunately Risely was still recovering from a stress fracture and I was unable to train with him. A few days after I arrived I got a call that the 800m was put on the Zatopek program. This was the turning point for me as I ran a massive PB and without that race I wouldn't have gotten a run at the Sydney or Canberra Classics or the Melbourne GP. I would have been stuck in Perth probably struggling to run under 1.51. I was very lucky that race was put on! It has changed a lot for me and now I'm running as fast as I believed I could and wanting to go faster.
RT: You get coached by Olympian Susan Andrews, how important has her role been in you break throughs?
CDB: Susan has definitely kept me focused on my goals this season and has been a big factor in my improvement. She competed at the top level over 400m as well as 800m so she knows what I should expect in big competitions on and off the track. She always has very good advice and helps me stay confident and focused going into races. She spends a lot of time planning individualised programs and I appreciate this because she knows my strengths and weaknesses and uses this to plan my training.
RT: Last November (07) did you have any inkling that this season was going to be as successful for you as it ended up being?
CDB: No, my aim for the season was to improve two seconds and qualify for the Olympic trials. My training indicated I was on track but I never expected a five second PB! I was confident of doing this, but I had no idea I would be within 2.3 seconds of the A, or 1.3 off the B qualifier for the Olympics. I had never qualified for nationals over the 800m and had only competed in open once in 2004 in the 400mH. It is much different competing in a race where everyone ends up running in the same lane, this is an area where you constantly learn. Zatopek was a big shock for me as well as my coach, and it changed my outlook on the season. Up until the Sydney classic in mid-January I had the fastest time for the season. Other athletes were wondering who I was and the media wanted interviews, all of a sudden training became really purposeful.
RT: Can you give us a brief description of your winter/base type training?
CDB: Winter training for me is a lot different than most people. Until the end of September I had commitments training as a WAFL boundary umpire which required me to train with them twice a week on a Tuesday and a Thursday. This was difficult with my program as Susan never knew what I had on those days. Often I would train easy on those days as my track type sessions were on Monday and Wednesdays. The problem was they expected me to train hard on those days to be a leader in the group and push for AFL selection. They wanted me there because I was an athlete, but wouldn't allow me to train as one. It was hard on my body doing four days in a row of track type training. Friday I would mostly have the day off before a game which totaled 16-20kms a game of varied pace running. Sunday was always an 80min run. Sessions over winter varied from threshold running like 8x3mins, 15 x 500m or 6x1km (3minR).
RT: How long are your Sunday long runs?
CDB: Mostly 80 minutes throughout the year or down to 60 or 70mins during the season. Locations include Pickering Brooke, Helena Valley, Kings Park, Herdsman Lake and the Swan River. I think that I would prefer to increase the speed of these runs rather than run for longer, 80 minutes is enough for me.
RT: Do you have any track sessions which stand out as being your favorite or most worthwhile?
CDB: As an 800m runner it's always good to be running fast and relaxed at race pace. I enjoy doing 200m reps. A session that I have continued to do since December in Melbourne is a continuous 800m with 300m (aim 39), 300m float (aim 57), 200m (aim 27) x 3. I have a good rest (10 or so minutes between sets). By the third set it definitely feels like finishing an 800m. Strangely at the end of winter I enjoy starting track work (on grass) with 12-15 x 500m as it is a good distance to run relaxed without being too long. Otherwise my sessions often vary, but remain intense and demanding. Usually prior to a race I will do a 500m fast (1.04-105) and float another 50m on the end. This kind of speed work, being just faster than race pace, helps me feel relaxed over the first lap of a race. Now, mentally, my race starts on the second lap while the first is almost on auto pilot (51,52). This is a shift from previous years, where, it felt like the race had ended before the second lap.
RT: What is your opinion on the old debate of endurance vs speed for an 800m runner? Do you think it is more vital for someone aiming for sub 1.46 to be able to run a 400m in 46 seconds or a 1500m in 3 minutes 40 seconds?
CDB: There is no question that both are very important for 800m running. The strange thing is I'm really not that good at either. I haven't broken 49 for 400m (although I can go through in 50.0 in a 600m time trial easy), and the 3km I did this season wasn't under 9 minutes. I've learnt how to run relaxed at a fast pace and I think I'm going to be able to improve more on the endurance side than the speed side. Renshaw runs 46s and even a 45 relay split and has a pb of 1:45, whereas the 1500m guys who run 3.37 have this year all run 1:48s/1:49s. The 800m is very tactical and if someone is fit enough to be there in the last 200m then I would much rather have a quick turn of speed. Also someone who runs 46 going through the bell in say 51 is going to feel very relaxed and have the extra few gears over the last lap.
CDB punching out some power work at a training camp, late September 2007.
RT: You injured yourself in the Melbourne Grand Prix 800m and couldn't finish the race and subsequently missed nationals! Do you know what happened and are you now over the set-back?
CDB: I was concerned it was Achilles related, but ended up a deep soleal strain. It was sore four days prior to the race so I rested for two days before. My morning jog and warm up prior to the race felt fine up until the second last run where it felt a little tight. I was in really good shape as I had been doing speed work for the previous three weeks, but I was a little nervous on the line. I took off at the gun and it slowly felt tighter over the first 200m (which was very fast). During the second bend it got worse as my lower leg tried to stabilize the rest of my body. Near the end of the bend I heard a 'ping' and could no longer land or push off. It was very depressing to watch such a great race with so many fast times and pbs with 10,000 people watching knowing that I could have also run a personal best. Even worse, the nationals/Olympic Trials immediately looked unlikely even though I was confident of a medal after five seasons of not even qualifying.

RT: You have been selected for Tim O'Shaughnessy's American development tour! In the face of your injury what are your thoughts on the tour?
CBD: I was off my feet for just over three weeks, working in the pool which was boring and depressing. Afterwards, I did another three weeks of off and on jogging before doing any sort of quality sessions. Another 2-3 weeks would be perfect but I'm back to running similar times to what I was prior to the injury. Hopefully by the second or third race, I'll be close to running a PB and I would be disappointed if I didn't by the end of the trip.
RT: Talk us through the tour, which races are you targeting?
CDB: The first race is Mt SAC (This race have just been run, CDB finished 6th in 1:50.98) followed by a meet in Oregon, then Stanford invitation and another one at Oregon. I've looked up some of the results from previous years and they vary from year to year, however, since it is an Olympic year, I am sure a few of the big guns will be out trying to get some times on the board prior to their trials.
RT: Do you have any financial backers or sponsors at this stage?
CDB: No, not at this stage. I had some assistance from my club UWA towards flights to the Sydney and Canberra meets which was very important as I would not have made it to Sydney without that. I've been at the club almost 10 years so it was nice to be recognized and assisted in this way. Mizuno have assisted a little with discounted shoes and a bit of clothing, but hopefully more financial support will come in the future.
The mate I live with Haden Martin (400m runner) has been great and didn't charge me rent through the summer season or when I was away. Hopefully I can repay this in the future somehow. Also I'm building up a rather large tab with my parents that I would like to pay back this year. Other than that, I have been a big sponsor of Bankwest through my credit card which I no longer can use as it is maxed out and costing me even more. It would be great to be able to just work a few days a week and get some financial assistance.
It is an awkward situation in that to get sponsorship I will probably need to run faster, but without the assistance it is going to be more difficult. It is not a highly televised or popular sport until the Olympics are on. It used to be back in the 50s and 60s when Aussies were breaking world records and 4 minute miles. Swimmers get a lot of financial support as Australians are always on the news for breaking records and winning world champs. Unfortunately for athletics, the whole world is able to compete and the competition is so much harder.
We are not sure what exactly this has to do with running, but an impressive jump nonetheless.
RT: You are a newly graduated school teacher. What are your plans on the working vs training front?
CDB: There looks to be enough relief work that allows flexibility with travel to competitions and even training. I still need to work enough days to be able to eat, travel and buy shoes etc. I've found working a full day on my feet shouting at kids is really draining and by the time I get to training I am physically and mentally exhausted. Athletics doesn't pay at all so I have to work. I just need to make sure I get early nights, stay hydrated during the day and eat healthy. Where possible I try to sleep for an hour before training, but my track sessions are usually 4.30pm so this isn't possible. This may be something I need to speak about to my coach next season. Working full time is something that I am adjusting to and hopefully it won't affect my training too much.
RT: You have a reputation for being a bit of a ladies' man, for the ladies out there, are you still fair game?
CDB: In Australia, or when I'm in America ? Just joking. I had a girlfriend for 3 years until recently so am in no rush and am enjoying the free time and extra sleep. Athletics is a sport that not many people understand which can be difficult. Saying you kicked 10 goals makes a lot more sense than running 1.48. The response is usually "is that good and what is the world record?" It can be very frustrating. It seems that if you play football it is expected you don't play AFL, and if you do athletics you are expected to run at the Olympics and always win.
RT: Chris, thanks for the interview, all the best for the American tour and we look forward to catching up with you later.
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